Tokens From Copying Spells Copied Afterwards
Asked by Last_Laugh 2 months ago
Sorry if the title doesn't initially make sense...
If The Sixth Doctor's non-legendary token has already resolved and entered the battlefield and I copy it with an effect like Esika's Chariot. Does that token copy the cmc since the Dr's token has that characteristic from rule 111.12? I'm assuming 111.3 covers this, but the example given is literally the opposite and is the result of copying a token without any cmc, so I want to double check before misquoting a rule (The Sixth Doctor / Peri Brown has led to a few friendly arguments already lol).
Thanks in advance rules gurus!
Neotrup says... Accepted answer #1
The example used for rule 111.3 is for general text describing creating a token. Since effects that create a token don't normally define mana cost, generic tokens have a mana value of 0. When creating a copy of a spell or a token that's a copy of another permanent or card you copy the mana cost, and because mana value is derived from mana cost the spell/token will have a mana value. In this case your token will cost and have a mana value of 4.
707.2. When copying an object, the copy acquires the copiable values of the original object's characteristics and, for an object on the stack, choices made when casting or activating it (mode, targets, the value of X, whether it was kicked, how it will affect multiple targets, and so on). The copiable values are the values derived from the text printed on the object (that text being name, mana cost, color indicator, card type, subtype, supertype, rules text, power, toughness, and/or loyalty), as modified by other copy effects, by its face-down status, and by "as . . . enters the battlefield" and "as . . . is turned face up" abilities that set power and toughness (and may also set additional characteristics). Other effects (including type-changing and text-changing effects), status, counters, and stickers are not copied.
March 11, 2024 5:01 a.m.