interaction with Katilda and Lier
Asked by YStar27 6 months ago
if i have a Katilda and Lier can i cast the adventure half of a non-instant/sorcery spell from my graveyard with flashback, if i can am i allowed to send it on an adventure as it resolves rather than exiling it from flashback, furthermore if i give a spell with adventure flashback am i able to cast the spell itself rather than its adventure. also can i choose to cast the back side of an MDFC card if its an instant or sorcery? what about if only the front is an instant or sorcery can i cast the back anyway?
thanks
Gidgetimer says... Accepted answer #2
So, I'm going to break this down into individual answers to questions so that it hopefully flows better and is more understandable.
- Can Katilda and Lier give an adventure flashback? No, Adventure spells only have the characteristics of their creature half in any zone besides the stack. (CR 715.4)
- Can it be sent on an adventure rather than exiled if I do flashback an adventure?/Can the creature be cast if I give the card flashback? There is currently no way to give creatures flashback, so it is a moot point. As a thought experiment, if something gave just cards flashback and didn't specify instant or sorcery cards; you could cast the adventure, but not the creature. Flashback specifies "if the resulting spell is an instant or sorcery" as a condition of flashing it back. (CR702.34a)
- Can I choose to cast the back side of an MDFC card if its an instant or sorcery? There are currently no MDFCs that are instant and/or sorcery on both sides, so again moot point. With the current rules, I'd say that if you were able to somehow give a card with an instant/sorcery back flashback then you should be able to cast it since it fulfils the requirements of flashback (CR702.34a) and MDFC allow you to choose which side you are casting when an effect allows you to cast it. (CR712.11b)
- What about if I give flashback to a MDFC that only the front is an instant or sorcery can I cast the back? No, it doesn't meet the requirements of Flashback. (CR702.34a)
- If I have Katilda and Lier and give a Flawless Maneuver flashback can I cast it for free if if control my commander even though I am casting it from my graveyard? No, both flashback and "casting without paying its mana cost" are alternate costs. You can only choose one alternate cost to pay for a spell. (CR601.2b)
715.4. In every zone except the stack, and while on the stack not as an Adventure, an adventurer card has only its normal characteristics.
702.34a Flashback appears on some instants and sorceries. It represents two static abilities: one that functions while the card is in a player’s graveyard and another that functions while the card is on the stack. “Flashback [cost]” means “You may cast this card from your graveyard if the resulting spell is an instant or sorcery spell by paying [cost] rather than paying its mana cost” and “If the flashback cost was paid, exile this card instead of putting it anywhere else any time it would leave the stack.” Casting a spell using its flashback ability follows the rules for paying alternative costs in rules 601.2b and 601.2f–h.
712.11b A player casting a modal double-faced card or a copy of a modal double-faced card as a spell chooses which face they are casting before putting it onto the stack.
601.2b If the spell is modal, the player announces the mode choice (see rule 700.2). If the player wishes to splice any cards onto the spell (see rule 702.47), they reveal those cards in their hand. If the spell has alternative or additional costs that will be paid as it’s being cast such as buyback or kicker costs (see rules 118.8 and 118.9), the player announces their intentions to pay any or all of those costs (see rule 601.2f). A player can’t apply two alternative methods of casting or two alternative costs to a single spell. If the spell has a variable cost that will be paid as it’s being cast (such as an {X} in its mana cost; see rule 107.3), the player announces the value of that variable. If the value of that variable is defined in the text of the spell by a choice that player would make later in the announcement or resolution of the spell, that player makes that choice at this time instead of that later time. If a cost that will be paid as the spell is being cast includes hybrid mana symbols, the player announces the nonhybrid equivalent cost they intend to pay. If a cost that will be paid as the spell is being cast includes Phyrexian mana symbols, the player announces whether they intend to pay 2 life or a corresponding colored mana cost for each of those symbols. Previously made choices (such as choosing to cast a spell with flashback from a graveyard or choosing to cast a creature with morph face down) may restrict the player’s options when making these choices.
November 1, 2023 7:29 p.m.
Small addendum to point 1: Twice Upon a Time is a legal target for Katilda and Lier's ability and should allow you to cast Unlikely Meeting with flashback for . It will be exiled on an adventure allowing you to cast Twice Upon a Time later. All other cards with an adventure (at this time) are permanent cards and invalid targets as mentioned above.
YStar27 says... #1
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if i have Katilda and Lier and give a Flawless Maneuver flashback can i cast it for free if if control my commander even though i am casting it from my graveyard?
November 1, 2023 5:29 p.m.